You know what would make Fedi an attractive place for journalists (and lots of others)?

Working search!

@buherator ask your admin to afford a Pleroma.Search.Meilisearch/Pleroma.Search.Elasticsearch box then (spoilers it's not cheap)

@buherator also whenever anyone suggests that public posts ought to be public enough to be indexed, people freak the fuck out

@i @buherator the new ParadeDB implementation gets you the same accuracy as Elastic (both BM25) and it stays in Postgres and is super fast and lightweight

I'm running it on my 4GB ram 4 old cores server

@feld @i @buherator on the one hand i like working search, on the other hand i don't want fedi to be an attractive place for journalists...

@lain @feld @buherator finally a more persecuted class of people than gamers

@i Yes, this is exactly the problem. I have accounts at multiple instances (pretty sure some have elastic), search is shit everywhere. We'd also need federated search which would require scraping, leading back to your comment...

@lain @i @feld @buherator
Just lock the search bar behind a simple platformer level.

@buherator in other words you don't want a working search then, cause who wants a bunch of journos searching through old posts to try to harrass and cancel you

@lain @i @feld It's not only about journalists, I personally spend significant resources to preserve/dig up stuff as needed, all of which should be trivial if scraping wasn't a (really stupid) taboo. This also hurts the discoverability of posts&accounts.

I guess some would prefer hiding in their little bunkers with their chosen friends (and that's fine), but if we want to have an open social network it's probably the wrong strategy to design things around that concept.

@meowski Nobody forces anyone to post embarrassing things on the public Internet. On the other hand many ppl post their thoughts on the public Internet so others can discover and interact with them.

@buherator journos specifically will find things that shouldn't be embarrassing, just genuine opinions and valid takes, and spend lots of time and effort doxing people, and generally complaining about people exercising free anonymous speech.

i could live wihout journos. they would be happier over on bluecry or somewhere else

@kirbius @i @feld @buherator @lain Click the boats to search.

@phnt @kirbius @feld @buherator @lain 1v1 me in pleroma search scrub

@buherator @i @lain the fediverse should aspire to be the one open network -- the "email" of social media platforms -- but it's already been taken over by special interests (autism) with principals like:

Discoverability is violence

Quote posts are harassment

Search is doxxing

This network will never reach its true potential when it has already been taken over by bad faith actors who want power over their own little fiefdom.

Why would anyone bother? Uncle Steve is gonna make an account ask who your favorite #football team is or what #hunting season they are looking forward to, and then get a thousand replies demanding they CW their posts because it's triggering to think about American sports or animals being hunted

@meowski again, if that is concerning to you, you are free to limit your posts visibility and vet your followers. otherwise, limiting search will not protect you.

@buherator oh nah i post publicly with zero f's given. really don't care if journos read it. i'm un-cancelable.

my comment was just snark about the desire to have journos read anything.

at any rate, the search on pleroma works pretty well. i can search anything in my db and it comes up. it kind of depends how much you ingest from other instances and how well indexed it is in your db. as the data grows indexing becomes more of a challenge.

there isn't really one "fedi search" tool since it's pretty fragmented