hey if you ever wanna know what "cloud stuff" is happening behind the scenes at some orgs, foone's thread here is a great example of how horrific it can be, and why just blindly trusting companies with your data, or allowing them to record you is a bad idea

https://digipres.club/@foone/112990331505043510

go to the cloud they said
it'll be fine they said

@Viss To be fair, cloud is not responsible for the utter stupidity of its users...

@neurovagrant oh dont worry, jenkem, krokodil, pureed aesbestos and just straight up spraypaint are still available.

@Viss Well, you know what they say... The Cloud is just someone else's NUC.

... And bash scripts. Lots of bash scripts.

@jawnsy honestly i would be impressed if it was bash. it always seems to be fucking nodejs

@Viss

@Sempf hah! touche :D

@Viss this is too painful to read

@morb i have a switch i found on the ground at a building abandoned by a military contractor here in town i need to dump configs from. i expect itll be the same

@Viss D:

@Viss a few years back I picked up a cisco pix (the old 486 one) from a thrift shop for like $2, managed to tftp off running-config; its prior life was a vpn endpoint for a lawyer's office

@morb i dont think ive ever gotten my hands on used networking gear that was wiped

@Viss what got me was it was managed by a somewhat larger business IT services firm in Oregon

either the lawyers got rid of it or the IT firm failed when they donated it for a writeoff

and yeah, whenever I get second hand gear from a reseller they usually do their thing and at least factory reset; everything else is going to be nopesville

@morb the customer im writing a report for now has an outsourced it firm and theyre pretty bad. default creds everywhere, flat networks, the works. im assuming this is just par for the course these days

@Viss @jawnsy Depending on the stage of development, python. Data scientists do everything in python, it hits the maintainability wall, then it gets rewritten in node because it's incrementally faster and cheaper to find javascript writers than rust/cpp/golang

@xarph @jawnsy